tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059776081582898241.post3872056183921463202..comments2023-10-26T06:56:55.034-07:00Comments on Vegan Logic - A Resource for the Logic of Veganism: The Vegetarian Myth - Interesting but Often IllogicalUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059776081582898241.post-84531104334187767462012-12-16T16:53:14.910-08:002012-12-16T16:53:14.910-08:00Somewhere out there a cannibal can make the statem...Somewhere out there a cannibal can make the statement "Eating pastured fed humans saves the most lives" without even attempting to provide any evidence, because it leads to the conclusion they want it to lead to. Similarly here "Eating pastured animals saves the most lives" is given without valid evidence, indeed, without even a mistaken but well meaning attempt to provide evidence - they don't even bother to try. <br /><br />Never mind the Cornell Oxford China Study the huge, huge study showing the health benefits of a plant-based diet - and mountains of other, additional scientific studies pointing to vegan diets to help save human lives.<br /><br />Even researchers whose attitudes sound very, well you'd have to call it "veganophobic", admit it: "We can't tell people to stop eating all meat and all dairy products. Well, we could tell people to become [vegan] if we were truly basing this on the science we would, but it is a bit extreme" Eric Rimm,Assoicate Professor of Epidemiology and Nutrition, Harvard University (see video "extra-virgin-olive-oil" on nutritionfactsDotOrg)<br /><br />Fear (phobia) of sounding "Extreme" given the huge sums of money spent by Meat and Dairy Agribiz to demonize plant-based diets still admits that "if we were truly basing this on the science" then vegan is the way to go. After years of propaganda they have managed to conjure up a negative image of "hippies" for example (no, I was not one myself, I'm a younger generation) so the 1960s folks who were taken as an overall group in general were a group that was on the right side of history about civil rights and about women's rights and about the Vietnam war are not seen that way, instead the image is "some unwashed dirty smelly hippie" is the image that is conjured up. Propaganda works to paint others marginalized from the powerful centers of society (or advocating science based alternatives that would hurt profits of those powerful centers - Meat and Dairy industry in this case, Pharmaceutical and For-Profit Health Insurers in other cases) are painted as "extreme" and lots of false caricatures are built up of those that are attacked. Just like LK seems to love doing. Econdemocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14914228469716633953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059776081582898241.post-22419347781989387912011-10-27T13:03:57.931-07:002011-10-27T13:03:57.931-07:00Eating pastured animals saves the most lives. Ther...Eating pastured animals saves the most lives. There is nothing to be compounded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059776081582898241.post-66235215348186350762010-12-07T01:38:00.495-08:002010-12-07T01:38:00.495-08:00Thanks for the comment; however, it doesn't re...Thanks for the comment; however, it doesn't really seem on target. I feel that what you said was included in this post in the following clause: "There's no doubt that within this system [of industrial agriculture] veganism is still the better answer." I mean I didn't explain it thoroughly here, but do you think that I have never read a pro-vegan book? Or dozens of them?<br /><br />The point I was making is that Lierre Kieth helps provide some perspective. I talked about this the other day with my partner. For example, like any good abolitionists we have often looked at a package of cookies, to see if there are animal products in them, but at the end of the day a milligram of modified milk ingredients is a smaller problem in all respects than the problems of the grains, high fructose corn syrup, plastic, transport, etc. in that whole deal. <br /><br />If the milk ingredients in that particular box of cookies TRULY matter then the other components matter just as much, and actually for suffering and adverse effects they probably matter a whole lot more.<br /><br />Have you even read anything else on my blog? I certainly don't mean any hostility, but your comment belittles my earnest exploration of ideas. <br /><br />There is a simple fact that matters here: just because there is a worse way of doing things that doesn't automatically make another way of doing them righteous or morally benevolent. If we simplify things too much here then we create fallacious binarization. That is a fallacy of comparison that can lead to unfounded moral self-righteousness.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15142706113417963936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7059776081582898241.post-17653459313086093452010-12-04T22:26:07.104-08:002010-12-04T22:26:07.104-08:00When she talks about modern crop harvesting leadin...When she talks about modern crop harvesting leading to animal deaths, just remember this is compounded 10 times over when the majority of the wheat, corn and soy that we raise is being fed to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com